What do we need to get better?

by Kozuch
Wednesday, June 11, 2008
Posted to Webmastering Bitweaver
I am sad seeing bitweaver loosing power and momentum in the last months. Okay, R2 is out, but still not really officially? Not much of new content on this site, forums not really active too. What is the problem?

I tried to promote bitweaver project a bit myself, however, my attempt to restore bw Wikipedia page was not successful yet. As I said in the forums, bitweaver was 95% working for me, but the 5% were almost killing it for any kind of project. Spider was talking of the necessity of an external review - any ideas for sites that could host the review?

Comments

I can name a few things needed IMHO

by JJ, 23 Jun 2008 (16:55 UTC)
I just read another wonderful thread on another CMS site ... that forked from another popular CMS, so I have a few thoughts on this project. I like this project and I think it is a top project worthy of note, but I think the biggest thing would have to be the support and it's community. They edit post that aren't favorable and are slow to provide the proper fixes for whatever reason.

To be honest because of Bitweaver I decided to use TikiWiki in order to prepare myself to better use BW in the future.
Some things I think needed, more open to criticism, and also to handle the release process better. I was under the impression I was using a stable release and it had one too many critical bugs which rendered it useless for my needs.
I remember your 95% post, and it got me wondering how much of that 95% is Tiki? I still remember the simple issue of the missing newsletter.tpl that never got resolved for me, so I had to move on.

The last thing is that you have to understand the mindset of the new forkers, and please be humble enough to bear with my attempt at humor, but every forked project wants to be the MotherForker of all Forkers.

There lies our problem ... they must believe they can do it better faster or totally different, or why else fork in the first place? I just hope the devs aren't too offended, but that's my intent to rattle a little bit. Heck it is called bit weaver so I added some extra bits to ponder on.

From what I can tell what is needed for any CMS to be successful are things like
Active community, active 3rd party support, timely and informative response to support questions.

I think it's even more critical that within the next 6-12 months they work to clarify and stabilize the advantages of using BW over TW. I plan to write a review of BW and would like to see it actively growing.

by spiderr, 26 Jun 2008 (03:38 UTC)
We need to simply release 2.1, make a bunch of fanfare. You guys need to take an active roll in your future. Talking about just problems does not help, talk about solutions needed to solve them. So....

Kozuch, I appreciate your efforts to get bw listed. However, right now the best way to help is to go through the bug list and make sure the most important issues are listed on the ReleaseTwo page (ie your 5% that is so painful). Please verify and close out all outstanding bugs. You have Admin powers on the bug list.

JJ, I will give you power to manage bugs, too. We would love the help. This is community powered software, and what you get out of it depends on how involved in the community you want to be. Also, FWIW, our changes were outright rejected by TW, so we had no place to go. That was over 4 years ago, so water under the bridge at this point... Lots of people complain, but few make the effort to help solve problems. I would welcome your help to solve the problems you list. Being and active member and helping maintain this site is a great start.

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by Kozuch, 27 Jun 2008 (09:16 UTC)
I am not used to hang out on IRC a lot, probably most of my problems (with communication etc.) come from there.
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